This thread is the only place on SRB where posting spoilers for The Dark Knight is acceptable. ^____^

I'll be sure to join in the conversation as soon as I see it -- I mean, a new Batman movie with the Joker? I always wanted to see one of those. =3

Joker pwns everyone. Best villain ever.

SO: Go ahead and discuss the movie in as much spoiler-y detail as you want. here and here alone.

Warning: Joker obsessed fan here.

Harley (Joker's assistant) has always been my #1 favorite Batman Villian.. but this movie has definitely made Joker my new all-time favorite.

No one can ever play a role as good as Heath Ledger played the Joker. Ledger got the character down to a point! The way the talks, the way he acts in certain situations, & his laugh.. ESPECIALLY his laugh!

I haven't seen the movie with Jack Nicholson as the Joker but I have to compare them. Since I can't compare the acting skills (I don't really like JN, but I'm sure he did a good job) I have to compare looks. The messy make up on Heath Ledger adds more of an "evil" element rather than the perfect all-white make up as seen in the cartoon & Jack Nicholson. When I saw the trailers the make up kinda bugged me, but after seeing the movie.. I'm glad that it wasn't all perfect. I mean who can keep make up that covers their whole face perfectly fine after going through all the action the Joker has?

Heath Ledger better win every single award possible for his role as The Joker.

Enough with The Joker XD Now onto the other actors..

Christian Bale (Bruce Wayne) did a great job yet again. I always used to laugh whenever he did in Batman voice in Batman Begins but I was sooo into The Dark Knight that I didn't even notice XD But nonetheless he did great as Batman!

Maggie I'mNotEvenGoingToTryAndSpellHerLastName played Rachel Dawes. Or is it Dawe? Anyway I was never really a fan of Rachel so the fact that they changed the actors from Katie Holmes to Maggie didn't really bother me. I must say that Maggie did a great job & her romance with Harvey & her little kiss with Bruce contributed well to the movie :)

Michael Caine (Alfred) & Morgan Freeman (Lucius Fox)? I'm already biased to love these two :) I like any movie they play a role in!

Aaron Eckhart (Harvey Dent).. I have never seen him before in any movie before TDK. I loved him right off the bat (no pun intended). The transition from him being good to him turning evil was smoooooth.

Joshua Harto who played Reese did an ok job too. I don't have anything to say about his role in the movie but.. has anyone seen the Disney show That's So Raven? He's Ben "Stinky" Sturkey: The classmate no one wanted to be near bcuz he never showers.

SPOILERS

TWO-FACE!! Christopher Nolan (Director) did an AMAZING job of throwing Two-Face in there!! Did anyone see that coming?!

In the trailers.. Rachel Dawes introduces her new boyfriend to Bruce Wayne: Harvey Dent, the DA of Gotham.

Harvey, Harvey, Harvey.. sound familiar? No, not HarLey, Joker's assitant. Harvey Dent as in Two-Face. After seeing the same trailer 457million times, my boyfriend did some research & sure enough: Harvey Dent = Two-Face. If you check out the trailers you'd see half of Harvey's face drenched in oil (then blow up). There was also a snippet where you could see Harvey sitting in a car holding up a gun. Half of his face was covered in darkness.

I was skeptical when my boyfriend told me.. how could Nolan pull off throwing two of Batman's biggest villians into a movie? I was in for a surprise when we saw the movie (in IMAX just to brag XD)

One of the first scenes in the movie was Rachel Dawes attending a court hearing where her boyfriend, Harvey Dent, was questioning witnesses. Dent is faced with a decision & does what a lot of people do: pulls out a coin & bases his choices on heads or tails. ENOUGH PROOF! That coin was enough for me to know that Two-Face would be in this movie!

That's enough from me XD I have work soon! I can't wait to discuss this movie with you guys :)

Edit: I just remembered that Rachel Dawes was blown up sky high. Ouch. That was intense XD

I just saw this movie. It was good.

That situation with the boats was quite a doozy, and the Joker was indeed an excellent villain. He was well-played, had good lines, etc., and he's really insane, I think. He's got some brains, but he's insane. Bonkers. Off his rocker. That's why he's such a "good" villain.

Two-face: I started to suspect that when he flipped his coin. I like how he actually didn't leave things up to chance at first (two-headed coin). His descent was saddening...too bad.

You're right.. it was really sad to see him go, but I'm honestly glad that Nolan went in that direction. How else can he drag out more of Two-Face? I think that the situation with Two-Face ended perfectly.

SPOILER ALERT: The following image will be gross to those who haven't seen the movie. Also only real Batman fans will get the picture.








Wow. So that's two-face. I wonder if he's going to wear the half and half suit in the next film. ...Maybe it'll be some kind of thrown together thing, like since this is more realistic. Like he just buzz saws two suits and uses a portable sewing machine to sew them together, unlike the old two-face, with perfect half-and-half everything. That is, IF he comes back. I wish. Can't wait for The Riddler!

Actually, the "perfect white make-up" of the Joker in the Tim Burton movie and the comic and cartoons is "perfect" for a reason. It's not make-up. :p His entire skin really did turn white due to a chemical accident.

In this movie, though, it seems that it actually is make-up, which is different but I can live with it.

So, while I mostly think that Jack Nicholson's Joker was truer to the real Joker as far as appearance goes, I feel that Heath Ledger's Joker was truer to the real Joker as far as personality goes. Holy crap, he totally nailed the Joker's personality down to a tee. Well, he's slightly more laid back, but he's still every bit as batsh*t crazy as the real Joker! They had plans of having the Joker return in the next movie, but sadly that won't be happening. Considering Ledger's awesome performance in this movie, I feel it's a pretty great loss. :(

Btw, BountyForager, Two-Face actually DID have the half and half suit when he was threatening to kill Gordon's son.

Huh.. chemical accident. I had no idea about that XD

It breaks my heart knowing that there won't be any more Joker roles played by Heath Ledger.. he was such an amazing actor!

BountyForager - That'd be awesome is Two-Face were in the next film, but if I remember correctly.. he did die D:

Huh. You know I didn't notice that. I miss stuff like that a lot. Like in Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark, I realized he was fighting nazis only halfway through the film. And Rouge, that's true, but if I know my comic books, people tend to come back from the dead. Case in point: Superman.

You comic book readers!! I don't read comics.. strictly a movie goer! The only comics I've read were Sonic comics :)

Haha.. I wouldn't doubt you actually. People DO tend to come back >_>; Oh now I have my hopes up! I really hope Two-Face comes back!!

Off topic: The Indiana Jones movies were AMAZING!

Yep. A nameless thug fell into a vat of acid (or something) and his entire body turned white, his lips red, and his hair green.

I know what you mean. His performance is the best Joker in a live-action movie that I've ever seen in my life. He was truly awesome.

Also... who wants to see me make this pencil disappear? :rolleyes:

OMG! Haha.. when that showed I KNEW I was going to fall in love with The Joker.

didn't the man who play the joker die after the filming of the movie? i heard from a few places that he took some pills with alchohol.

he's still my favorite villian. :3

wanna see me make this pencile disapear? XD best part other than the truck flipping.

Yes. R.I.P. Heath Ledger.

Like I've said many times before, that man better win every award possible. He was just too amazing.

Nurse!Joker was pretty awesome as well :D

yeah, he was a pretty amazing actor!
ahaha, i actually expected it to be a nurse too! XD

Ya, but what I heard is that he took several different pills together that weren't supposed to be mixed. Or something like that. Most places that list his cause of death are simply stated as "accidental overdose".

GREATEST MOVIE EVER.

"Why so serious?" WHY SO SERIOUS!?"

Holy crap man. I loved that movie. LOVED IT. <3

The pencil... oh man! Joker was just so f-ing crazy. No other way to phrase it.

I really, really can't get over how great that was. I mean, the original Batman with the Joker was good, but Nicholson's Joker was still a man with a purpose. There was a method to the madness. To him, murder was art.

What made me love Ledger's Joker so much is there was no reason. He was just plain psycho. =3 Killing cops, the mafia, all to turn the 'heroes' into the 'villains'.

All just to see what he could do. =3

And the best part was they didn't try to explain him. The Joker has so many origin stories that even he says in one comic "I'm not even sure what's real and what I made up anymore!" And they didn't try to explain him. He was just there.

=3

Dude. SO GOOD. Of course, Joker's been my favorite villain since I was 8, so that made it even better for me.

Well, as a tip of the hat to those origin stories for the Joker, perhaps, he offered two different stories as to how he got his scars...and yeah, the fact that he's totally crazy and insane is what makes him such a "good" villian...and the pencil trick is a classic. :LOL: Maybe, at least.

I went to watch it today, but the camera's bulb burned out, so I didn't get to even the middle of it. >=p

DP approves of this movie.

And yes, this is definitely the best live-action portrayal of the Joker character I've ever seen (though really, the only other ones are the one from the '89 Batman movie and the one from that 60's show, so yeah). He just portrays perfect sane insanity in his performance.

And this is the best I've ever seen a Harvey Dent character anywhere (though that isn't saying much, since most everything I have seen involving Harvey Dent is just mild setups to the creation of Two-Face, nothing at all like how this movie used his pre-Two-Face character).

I'm kinda sad that Two-Face was killed at the end of this movie, though, as well as how the guy who played the Joker also died, because it'd be really awesome to have seen those characters return in some later role in some later movie.

"Killed?" You mean the way he wound up lying face-down, and then they held a memorial service? Killed... riiight... :p

But yeah, Heath Ledger's death sucks. But the Joker was great! Kinda good to see the Joker redeemed after that awful portrayal in that kids cartoon a few years back. The latest Batman cartoon, you know that one? Where the Joker had long sleeves? When someone's got sleeves that are too long, you know they're CRAZY!!

I think those origin stories he told were inspired by some things Joker said in the comics. On several different occasions over the decades, they've come up with a "origin" for the Joker -- and in one comic they had Joker tell five different versions of how he became the Joker, and then he later admitted that he couldn't remember what was true and what he'd made up. XD I think that was the movie's nod to the comic Joker, whom Ledger was said to have based his performance on.

And YES I know too much about Joker. :heh:

It's a very sad irony that Two-Face dies in the movie and Joker lives. ;_; Although I feel bad for Heath Ledger not because he won't make another movie, but for his family.

BR, it's possible that Dent is alive... but somehow I doubt it. I mean, wouldn't Gordon have checked to make sure he was dead before they buried him?

... Then again, they did bury Gordon halfway through, so...

I went into it expecting Dent to be banged up at the very end of the movie, thus leaving Two-Face for a sequel -- but I kind of like what they did this way even better.

True, Two-Face died pretty quick... but usually when that character shows up, he's very quickly turned into Two-Face. It was actually a awesome change from the norm to see the story revolve around Dent.

I mean, in one of the older Batman movies, Tommy Lee Jones was already Two-Face from the start. Not that that movie is anything compared to this piece of wintastic awesomeness. =3

My ONE question is this: How the hell did Joker keep getting minions!? Don't they realize that after every crime he commits, he's the only survivor? XD

Dead men tell no tales...

Seriously? No more Two-Face? He was a villan for like, two minutes. If Jean Gray can come back from the dead every Thursday, Harvey Dent can survive.

I have one question! Didn't Batman tell Gordon he was going to save Dawes? And then didn't Batman show up at Dent and Gordon show up at Dawes? So what happened there? I must have missed something.

The funniest scene for me in the movie was when the Joker was walking out of the hospital. He was still in his nurse's outfit, and it looked so ridiculous I found myself laughing out loud. I couldn't help it. As I was laughing, though, I was watching him blow up a hospital. I was mildly horrified that I couldn't help laughing at his outfit, despite the horrendousness of the person and the action. Whether that effect was intended or not, that scene in particular struck me as particularly poignant.

So, Batman 3: flop or not?

I think Batman did tell Gordon that he was going after Dent, actually.

Anyway, Batman 3?

It'll probably be good, and I think I know who the villain's going to be in it: Poison Ivy (yes, the Batman villain, not a plant).

I could have sworn Batman said he was going after Dawes, but I assumed that the Joker lied about who was at which address.

That's just a theory, mind you.

A third one would be awesome! <3 I hope so.

Let's see... they've used Ra's Al Ghoul, Scarecrow, Two-Face and the greatest of all, The Joker.

Hmm... Poison Ivy could be good. I'd love to see Harley Quinn show up. Originally she was the Joker's therapist in prison who went crazy and fell in love with him. She teamed up with Poison Ivy on a few occasions.

They could do that. They could have Harley be the one in charge of Joker in prison, but he gets to her and she starts to believe in his chaotic lifestyle. They wouldn't even really have to have the Joker in it -- Batman could originally figure she's a Joker copycat, and later learn that she was his therapist in prison. They could allude to the Joker and his legacy, without having to actually show him.

And meanwhile, Poison Ivy is assassinating all kinds of Gotham VIPs. The two eventually team up as in the comics for total chaos!

Or, I'd love to see them use someone who hasn't made it to the movies before. Killer Croc, or Clayface could be a lot of fun. They never make it into the major movies, and could provide a new angle we haven't seen before. This new film series seems to enjoy doing new angles, so this could be great.

The only ones I really don't want to see would be Catwoman or Mr. Freeze.

Catwoman because one of the constants of her character is that Selina Kyle is a love interest for Bruce, and I just think the whole idea of Bruce's love interest getting in the way of Batman's work is a little cliche.

And Mr. Freeze because, well, these movies seem to be darker and more realistic... and I'm sorry, there's no way to really make this guy realistic. XD

Hugo Strange could be fun... and if they use him, they could bring in Bane. Maybe do the old "Breaking of the Bat" idea, where Bane totally beats the hell out of Batman and leaves him near death's door -- and only once Strange and Bane have the city totally screwed up does the public once again come to embrace Batman as a needed part of their lives.

The Mad Hatter could be fun, or The Riddler for that matter... but I don't know how they'd make them "dark" enough for this series without coming too close to Joker.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. I can see where you're coming from if you're mostly basing your opinion of the Ah-nold version of Mr. Freeze, but the true Mr. Freeze could be definitely be doable. One thing, for starters, is that he's a very tragic character and, most of all, possibly the most human of all of Batman's rogue's gallery. Heck, he's not even evil. Sure, he breaks the law, but it's mostly because he wants to get back at the people that were responsible for his wife's death (and while I don't condone revenge, I can perfectly understand Mr. Freeze's motives). Rather than a looney nut who's always committing crimes with an ice theme, he's simply a man with a cold heart. Nothing at all like what the Governator portrayed him as.

Though, you do seem to have a knowledge of Batman villains, so you might be aware that there are several different interpretations of the character, but I'm just saying that if they stick with Bruce Timm interpretation of the character, it could be spectacular. A villain that's sympathetic.

I'm just sayin', is all. But don't just take my word for it:

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So, ya, if they use THAT version of Mr. Freeze, it could work very well.

Okay, I'll give you that one.

Mr. Freeze is do-able. I just can't really see how they'd take the ice theme and make it work with the considerable darkness the newer movies portray.

Of course, now that I stop and think about it, I suppose it COULD work. Yes... there could be a lot of ways for it to play out.

I hereby withdraw my objection to Mr. Freeze!

If it's any consolation, I kinda agree with you on Catwoman. ^_^;

But I'm not entirely sure how ice would make the movies any less dark. Frostbite isn't a pretty thing, and neither are cold, dead corpses. In fact, being frozen to death could be an incredibly freaky thing.

I finally saw the whole movie man. It was awsome. Nothing more to say, just, awsome.

I heard somewhere "The Riddler" was the next villain.

I saw "The Dark Knight." It was awesome. That is all I have to say.